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Old 20-Jun-2012, 06:06 PM
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no bagua for you

Hey guys been along time since i've been back on here, any who the reason for this is i just want to find out, if its possible to learn ba gua, when there is NO ONE in your area that knows it. So whats the next best thing??
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Old 20-Jun-2012, 06:26 PM
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Hey guys been along time since i've been back on here, any who the reason for this is i just want to find out, if its possible to learn ba gua, when there is NO ONE in your area that knows it. So whats the next best thing??
The next best thing will be whatever you choose to do out of what IS available in your area. There's no point deciding that any one particular MA is the one for you, if there is no-one in your area to teach it to you.

So, what do you have to choose from?
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Old 20-Jun-2012, 06:34 PM
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I have been going to the odd Bagua class - there are not many running in Scotland, and right now Im in Belgium - so I am not an expert.

Bagua is just impossible to learn without credible tuition, don't even waste your time thinking about it.

I presume that it is the evasive aspects of Bagua which interest you. If so, good Aikido or FMA are probably the simplest alternative route - to get into your head-set, triangular footwork off-line evasion. You might find Systema usefull, but it is too slow and soft for me. Some Taichi - that teach 9 palace step pushing hands is very similar to Bagua - the 9 steps are the 8 Bagua points plus the centre point.

However, this is only scratching the outer surface of Bagua. The coiling muscular contraction/expansion springy body development or neigung, can be very up-front - this simply cannot be observed - it has to experienced via credible instruction.

Bagua is a pretty unique art, but its damm difficult to find credible tuition e.g. my teacher in Scotland, travels in London once a month for tuition.

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Old 20-Jun-2012, 08:35 PM
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Can we just make a sticky of "martial arts X isn't taught in my area. Is it still possible to learn it from books/videos/tapes?" and have a giant response that says "NO." that would be nice.
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Old 20-Jun-2012, 08:57 PM
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Can we just make a sticky of "martial arts X isn't taught in my area. Is it still possible to learn it from books/videos/tapes?" and have a giant response that says "NO." that would be nice.
With an exception for Gracie Jiu Jitsu I guess? =P
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Old 20-Jun-2012, 09:08 PM
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With an exception for Gracie Jiu Jitsu I guess? =P
not even GJJ.

skill learning is limited without lot's of live training.
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Old 20-Jun-2012, 09:09 PM
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not even GJJ.

skill learning is limited without lot's of live training.
But if the Gracies themselves say it's possible to learn it through a Gracie Garage... It can't be all greed isn't it? I'm just curious about this.
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Old 20-Jun-2012, 09:16 PM
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But if the Gracies themselves say it's possible to learn it through a Gracie Garage... It can't be all greed isn't it? I'm just curious about this.
learning the motions of the techniques (and even some of the theory) does not necessarily equal being able to do them right, either in training or in practice. the former is perfectly doable via long distance instruction, the latter not so much.
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Old 20-Jun-2012, 09:17 PM
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But if the Gracies themselves say it's possible to learn it through a Gracie Garage... It can't be all greed isn't it? I'm just curious about this.
not all the gracies. and the ones that do admit that the learning you'll get is pretty limited. no way you can get to the same level as a black belt online.
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Old 20-Jun-2012, 09:20 PM
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I see. Well, not that I'm particularly interested.

To the OP though: I went through a similar problem. I am in love with Baji Quan and I gave up finding instruction nearby. I made contacts though, and thankfully I have private lessons and seminars coming up which will get me travelling around Europe a bit, just to learn the bare basics.

But meanwhile... It's going to be Sanda for me (And BJJ, which I'll probably join after the summer break).
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Old 20-Jun-2012, 09:47 PM
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Just to reinforce what has been said, i have some experience of Bagua and can state categorically that it can't be learned any other way than (literally, at times) hands on. The difference between an integrated stance and non integrated is about 2cm (knee position)!
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Old 21-Jun-2012, 02:35 PM
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If I where you, I would travel and stay for a amount of time with a teacher. ( days/weeks )
then go home train and go back after a time that suits you.
It's maybe a slow progress, but is progress none the less.

I have been doing this for over 10 years now, and it works for me.

But I agree with previous posts. You can never get the small details without someone pointing them out to you. Positioning, body mechanics and things like that make the differences between good techniques and empty techniques.
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Old 21-Jun-2012, 03:21 PM
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Mengcunman,

As you are in Belgium, do you know of Bagua in Belgium or nearby?

I am working in Brussels right now. I will be going home fairly soon, but I can be coming back here as there seems to be a fair ammmount of work for me here. 2 years ago I worked accros the border in Lille and did not find interesting MA in the surrounds - plus the Belgian train system sucks.

So any info is good info.
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]If I where you, I would travel and stay for a amount of time with a teacher. ( days/weeks )
then go home train and go back after a time that suits you.[/B]
It's maybe a slow progress, but is progress none the less.

I have been doing this for over 10 years now, and it works for me.

But I agree with previous posts. You can never get the small details without someone pointing them out to you. Positioning, body mechanics and things like that make the differences between good techniques and empty techniques.
Yeah, but how you can do that, unless you are wealthy or you have a job that makes you travel a lot?
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Old 22-Jun-2012, 11:47 AM
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My teacher, Dr. John Painter is in Texas which is not far from you.

You can go down to Arlington where his school is located and get Baguazhang training.

I travel to Texas 1-2 time per year to get instruction from my teacher
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